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Now in deep appreciation of God's grace, the Portland leadership is taking the initiative to help rebuild any congregation that asks our help thereby aiding in rebuilding a global movement of "sold-out" disciples that will reach this lost world.

As the "aroma of Christ" some will regard our efforts as "the smell of death" and others the "fragrance of life" (2 Corinthians 2:15-16) Let it be stated clearly, we are not trying to build a "new movement." Yet since many "teachers" have chosen to preach "a different Jesus, a different gospel with a different spirit" (2 Corinthians 11:3), we realize like Paul our vision efforts and plans will short term cause division. Most view division always as sin, yet Pal says "No doubt there have to be divisions (differences) among you to show which of you have God's approval." (1 Corinthians 11:19)

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However, as of this Jubilee the Portland leadership believes it is time for a progressive "calling out of the remnant of disciples" from dying, former ICOC Churches. ... If a group asks for help to restore the foundation of sold-out disciples, we will help in any way we can. Biblically, disciples can never rebel against authority, yet as seen with David who "chose" to transfer his allegiance from the ungodly Saul to the uncircumcised Achish(1 Samuel 27:1-4) one is "free to choose" whom to submit to. In the fall the Portland leadership will begin to seek out church leaderships in congregations that are struggling to ask if we can help them build a foundation of sold-out disciples. If they are not inclined to receive help, then we will offer help to any group that would prefer to be in a new congregation composed of only sold-out disciples.

Kip McKean, August 21st, 2005

I have much to say, but for now I'll just say that I'm sad, very sad.

I'll have more to say about this later after I've had some (more) time to pray about it.

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You and me both, brother.

Hope deferred makes the heart sick. Having a hope dashed is more painful than that.

"only sold-out disciples"? What does this mean? It sounds suspiciously like "we're right; the rest of you are hell-bound. And only we are equipped to tell the difference."

Am I interpreting that correctly?

You know, I'd really like to be able to say, "No, that's not what it means at all.", but I'd be hard pressed to prove it.

This is the long standing pattern of the ICOC, and I once bought it in its entirety. I had hoped, against the odds and the evidence, that this had been abandoned. Now it makes sad and angry.

Up until now I could shake my head at Kip and be sad from afar, but this makes it clear that he is coming here. Maybe not tomorrow, but eventually, and it will be painful and divisive, and he's OK with that.

I hope I'm wrong on that, but it's hard to see it differently.

A sad, sad day. Completely predictable, but sad nonetheless. I wanted so desperatly to read something positive into Kip's statement. But there is (yet again) misuse of Scripture to promote his agenda. I do agree that he is not starting a new movement -- it's the same old "same-old."

Douglas,
Sorry to hear about this, especially in the midst of all the reconciliation that is taking place at ACU.

God's blessings and peace on you all,

gkb

This is the same hurtful paradigm that so many have tried to break out of.

I know that many in former ICOC congregations still have the basic structure of the "old ways" (Chicago for one example), and this new push by Kip is a very disheartening plan indeed.

All it means is going back to a works centered structure where fear, intimidation and hypocrisy run supreme.

Misusing and pulling scriptures out of their original context is the trademark of this "old" movement.

I am fearful for all who have to tackle this - since it will only cause factions within the church families.

Yup, misuse of scripture to promote personal gain.

Perhaps some good will come and those that are on the fence and pushing for works, but saying there not, will see that they are by this blatant example.

Man, not sure what to say about this other than it sucks. Having attended pinakidion's/Bear's/John's former church a time or three, I can see how this language can come out of Kip's mouth/keyboard and how easy it would be for someone who is insecure in their faith (as I have been and still am from time to time) and seeking fellowship to swallow. You want to make sure that you're "sold out" and that you're perciving the "aroma of Christ" (how long til some well meaning Christian marketer uses that for a perfume) correctly. Sad.



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